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Friday, October 16, 2009

Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set Still on Sale


Surprisingly, the US Mint's Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set is still on sale as of 10:00 AM ET this morning. The sets went on sale yesterday at 12:00 Noon ET, with a first day sell out expected by many.

Thanks to readers, we have a rough idea of the total number of sets ordered. (Check out the 364 comments and counting on yesterday's post!)

The earliest order numbers from yesterday are 33159xxx. I placed an order for some 2009 Mint Sets this morning and had an order number of 33219xxx. This means that roughly 60,000 orders have been placed in the past 22 hours. Assuming that 80% or more of the orders contained one Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set, sales must be very close or have already exceeded the 50,000 production limit.

It's possible that the 50,000 mark has already been passed. For similar situations, the US Mint has accepted orders in excess of the production limit to allow a buffer for order cancellations due to bad credit card information or cancellations for orders placed in excess of the household limit. I would be very surprised if the status of the product status is not changed to Sold Out by the end of today.

Another observation from the comments, many people ordered the Louis Braille Education Set together with the Lincoln Set to combine shipping costs. The low initial sales of the Braille Set may see a big jump next week if this practice was widespread.

Separately, a more obscure product sold out yesterday. This was the Collecting America's Coins: Beginner Basics Set. I believe this product had actually gone on sale back in 2005. It was featured in this year's US Mint Holiday catalog, which likely brought some renewed interest.

The set contains a 2005 Proof Kennedy Half, satin finish 2005 P&D Roosevelt Dimes, circulation strike 2005 P&D Lincoln Cents, and a one cent blank planchet. In addition to the coins, the set also contains some excellent information about the history of US coins, the process of making coins, numismatic tips, and a small glossary. I had purchased one of these sets a while back for my son. (He is still only 18 months old, but one day I think he will enjoy it.)

Update: Dave Harper is reporting that the US Mint had sales of 29,919 sets as of 5 PM ET Thursday. At that time, order numbers were around 33200xxx. A recent order number is 33226xxx, meaning about 26,000 more orders have occurred since.

Update 2: The US Mint has also posted the following message:

Unfortunately, the United States Mint Web site did not perform as expected when the popular 2009 Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set went on sale at noon Eastern Time on October 15. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and frustration many of you may have experienced while attempting to purchase this and other products using our online catalog.

We did not meet the standards of excellence we have set for serving our customers. You deserve a better online shopping experience, and we are committed to resolving these issues quickly and permanently.

Thank you for your patience and continued support.

Update 3: At 6:00 PM ET, the set went onto waiting list status. The following message was posted on the product page:
Waiting List Notice: The number of orders we have taken meets the maximum limit for the United States Mint Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set. You may still place an order for this product, which will go on a waiting list. If a product becomes available due to an order cancellation, we will fulfill orders from the waiting list on a first-in, first-served basis. We cannot provide information about your position on the waiting list.

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376 Comments:

At October 16, 2009 at 7:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did order both the Braille and Lincoln sets and some uncirculated sets as well. Just a saver to order them all on a single invoice. I did watch the stats on the Braille just to make sure I would get one. Cheers!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was actually tempted to get the Brille set with all the hype on the low mintage and such; so I thot why not?

But realli when I take a look at the coin design... I realli can't push myself to order it...it's yet too uglt a coin to put with my collections.. I just can't do it..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:51 AM , Anonymous Skid said...

I believe the Chronicle set sold out last evening when they temporarily changed the shipping date to 11/13. The Mint is just getting a buffer now, and also they don't want to sell out in under 24 hours.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Skid on this one.Even factoring in other orders , I'm sure the Mint is buffering itself..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael , great job as usual!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:02 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mint should have limited initial sales of the Lincoln Comm to 400K, and done 50,000 sets in proof, and 50,000 sets in unc.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think once the Mint puts out the "sold out" sign on the set, Ebay will take off big time for the set.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:13 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks so much Mint News Blog for all the info!! Please keep up the good work.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any new confirmation numbers this morning gang?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No new ones as of yet :(

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a new conf. # 3322xxxx That is about 62,000 from the first #'s

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The set is so sold out now. Wonder what the Mint is waiting on?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad my number is 33159xxx :)

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet the Braille Education Set is sold out now as well. Only 22,000 or less of them were remaining, so if even half of the Chronicles orders also included a Braille set, then they too are sold out and being buffered.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mint is trying to see just how many people they can P*ss off now. Lets see, lets cancel these extra 10,000 orders.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:43 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mint wanna get 100K orders and then ramdomly select 50K lucky winners... how's that to piss those early birds?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Moy is busy stuffing 20,000 extra thousand Braille coins in the chronicle sets and calling them "errors". :)

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:46 AM , Anonymous Skid said...

The first person to put "SOLD OUT" on this blog (after the mint announces it) wins bragging rights!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first person to put "sold out" after the Mint post wins a extra set of the Chronicles from Mr Moy!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still say that all who put in multiple orders are going to be SHOCKED when they are weeded out. All of us who only placed one order will laugh last.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will it be the (error set) as mentioned in previous post? :0

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only multiple orders to the same address will be knocked out.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sell-out @ 12 high noon ? Anyone??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geeeeeez , how much of a buffer do they need??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gotta wait for the Mint web person to get back from his lunch break!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought they left the janitor in charge while out to lunch??????

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mint has now posted product will be available for shipping on 10/30/09.It was 11/13/09 last night.WTF.Who is running this show and why are they still there.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:12 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

MAJOR NEWS FLASH !!!!!
The US Mint will be producing 500,000 Lincoln Coin and Chronicle sets.LOL I can see it coming now LOL

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would take an act of congress, and they don't act quickly on anything thank goodness!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:14 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey they have broken every other rule to screw us.Why not break that one too.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can see the reaction to the congress now."HOW MUCH MORE MONEY CAN WE BUTTER OUR POCKETS WITH IF WE PRODUCE MORE."

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:19 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Due to popular demand; the Mint will produce another 500K Chronicles set to ensure everyone who want one will get one.

- Mr Moy

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Moy is proud to announce "Counties of the USA". This 3141 coin set, to be produced on quarters will begin in 2010 and end in 2272. (One county per month release).

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM , Anonymous Rich said...

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." (1st Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861)
Good old abe i think he was talking about the mint ?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do I envision Mr Moy running to congress saying'Please don't fire me.Look I have 50,000 orders in the first day with 50,000 more as a buffer.Can't we just be friends and produce 50,000 more and make us all more money."

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:25 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks , I got a chuckle from that :)

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They do have to be careful. If they wait too long for buffers then they could easily rack up over 100,000 sales before they know a thing.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then we will know why they didn't have enough blanks for the proof 2009 Silver eagles.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I foresee a huge amount of unhappy people due to orders getting canceled...

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I doubt the number of people ordering both the Chronicle set and Braille set is as high as assumed by most. With every click of the mouse during rush hour yesterday you had to hold your breath and hope you didn’t get kicked out. There was no way I was going to risk putting something else in my cart and getting booted at that screen. I’d rather pay an additional $4.95 and place a second order.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that would surely be the best way for every collector to lose interest in buying anything else from the US Mint.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I should have also mentioned that some people won’t go back to order the Braille set… for whatever reason. I haven’t done so yet. Still not sure if I will. But the 25K limit is appealing.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:38 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I chose not to get the Braille Set , it's just not appealing at all to me ,no matter how limited the mintages are ..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is why I placed my orders on other coins well before the 12:00 EST starting time.That way all I had to do is click and lag and click and lag until my order finally went through at 12:23.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mint is not closing the sale because they are making a ton of extra money by leaving the Lincoln Chronicles set open. Think of all the extra traffic and purchases.

People are ordering the Lincoln set and ordering other sets along with it to save on shipping.

The mint will cancel your lincoln order, but carry out the rest.

BAIT AND SWITCH

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same deal with the Little Rock sets, nice looking coin, 25,000 limit, means nothing today, won't make that mistake again!
Setting on two.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they are waiting to do a double announcement.Both the braille and Chronicle sell out at the same time making a historical first in the history of the mint.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm inclined to agree with the bait and switch theory.Wow to think they have stooped that low is just pitiful.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had 4 computers going with multiple sessions...both wireless and hardwired...for two hours. Ironically, I was only able to get through using the Mint's phone number. I think the pony express was faster than the Mint's servers.

Welcome to the 21st century at the US Mint.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can safetly assume that the Chronicle set sold out either last night or this morning. It is a shame the mint doesn't close this out. Letting people to continue to purchase these knowing their orders are going to be cancelled is just wrong.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I for one will cancel my full order if they do that.And if they have already shipped the others.I will return them just to make the statement that they suck for doing that to me.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll bet you a Set that you do not do that.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The big assumption here is that the Mint (first in, first out) FIFO's the orders. They haven't done it all year, so what makes anyone believe they won't hold true to form?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad I got mine in the middle, if there is a middle!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't you mean first in last out? FILO

 
At October 16, 2009 at 9:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put your set where your type is.I guarantee I will and I'll show you my mint cancel or return if your serious.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mint will decide based on your remarks on the blog... if u had mentioned My Moy in the last 24 hrs; u can be sure ur Chhronicles set will be cancellled;

Btw, the Mint failed it's accounting this yr... FIFO?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consider this scenario. The mint had more than 50,000 sets. They low balled the number to drive up interest in the set and bring in more revenue. Could this happen, or are these things strictly accounted for?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have a challenge!! OK boys , I want a good clean bout, so put up your orders and come out canceling!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:06 AM , Blogger LOUIS said...

We are 2 wks to Proof Buffalo; why is there no info out on that?

Is there gonna be a limit/hsehold?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can here the excusses flying now."Due to the amount of increased upkeep on the Lincoln memorials all over the country.We have decided to produce more Lincoln Coin and Chroncle sets to meet demand and make all of the collectors happy for getting their orders filled.Congress is in session now and adjusting the mintage numbers in accordance to repairs and upkeep needed."

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question.Is the US Mint operated by a union? If so,are they on strike?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:36 AM , Anonymous Dave said...

I’ll be watching with much interest to see what happens with demand for the buffaloes when they go on sale. Not to determine whether or not I’ll pick one up though, but to determine how many to pick up. I get at least one each year.

I’m not aware of any production limits. However there will only be two months left in the year when they go on sale. The investor community won’t allow a repeat of last year though (If production is not limited). If the numbers come in low after the first couple weeks, the investors will step in big time.

I can’t imagine a stampede though like we’ve seen for the Chronicles set. The buffalo is a $1,300 coin. Sure we can use the UHR as a bit of an example, but that was/is an extremely unique coin with a lot of hype. Plus that coin originally went on sale for a couple hundred dollars less than what the buffaloes will cost.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That far over spot price does not interest me at all.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The UHR is turning out to be a great PR hype... its mintage is gonna be so great that it's almost garantee to be a sleeper!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lincoln Coins and Chronicles set was way oversold. We have made the assumption that those who ordered the Lincoln set alone were trying to get multiples in violation of our rules. Therefore, all orders for just the Lincoln set will be cancelled. Only those orders that contained other coins and sets will be filled. If you only ordered the Lincoln set, you will not get it. The higher the value of your order, the higher priority you are for getting the Lincoln set.

Mr. Moy

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Our Valued Customers:

Unfortunately, the United States Mint Web site did not perform as expected when the popular 2009 Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set went on sale at noon Eastern Time on October 15. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and frustration many of you may have experienced while attempting to purchase this and other products using our online catalog.

We did not meet the standards of excellence we have set for serving our customers. You deserve a better online shopping experience, and we are committed to resolving these issues quickly and permanently.

Thank you for your patience and continued support.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM , Blogger information said...

dave harper posted just under 30,000 sold as of 5pm est. yest

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was looking at the 1909 matte proof in the notable auctions and decided to check out the ID number on the slab.When I went to PCGS and looked at it in the cert info.I noticed a picture of the coin and it shows a much different view of what the coin looks like.I'm wondering if some photo shop work may have been done to hide some of the coins ugly appearance.maybe that is why the coin has no bids on it.I've never even heard of a matte proof 1909.Looks like a regular 1909 to me.What makes this coin a Matte proof.Or is this just another PCGS Hype coin?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Our Valued Customers:

Unfortunately, the United States Mint Web site did not perform as expected when the popular 2009 Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set went on sale at noon Eastern Time on October 15. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and frustration many of you may have experienced while attempting to purchase this and other products using our online catalog.

We did not meet the standards of excellence we have set for serving our customers. You deserve a better online shopping experience, and we are committed to resolving these issues quickly and permanently.

Thank you for your patience and continued support.

POSTED ON U S MINT SITE

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow it's really there! I can't believe it. Looks like there's at least one smart PR person at the mint. But it still remains to be seen whether the IT dept will actually do anything.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok so now they admit to being screwed up.I'm wondering what the hidden message is here.Why don't they just say they screwed up and let to many orders get placed on the sets.I think this is an attempt to hopefully not piss off all the people who get cancelled.Is this an admission of a sell out?What gives here?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like a really lame attempt of slight of words saying >> were sorry but were going to cancel your orders...

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think they can officially announce a sell out until all the double orders have been cross matched and cancelled and refilled with the buffer orders.Perhaps this is not a fault of the mint.But a fault of the many people who double ordered and clogged the system up with cancelled orders that were made just to check the order numbers.Geeeze this has become a real fiasco hasn't it.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM , Anonymous Bon said...

Michael,

Your updates on this blog have been very enjoyable and thank you for the time you put in for us.
I haven't ordered anything from the mint this year in anticipation of the 2009 silver proof (as we know was disappointingly cancelled this year---that'll be a black eye in the historical red book).
I DID decide to talk myself into buying a Lincoln Chronicles set but it's something I would probably would not have bought otherwise. Hopefully 2010 will be a MUCH better year with the mint.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not much left to look forward to this year from the mint...

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM , Blogger Eric said...

forget the lincolns, I got a 2001 1 rupee coin at wendy's today. a least it's worth more than a penny, but less than the quarter i should have gotten

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see that press release. Where is it on the Mint site?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see it now. They should halt sales while they figure out the mess!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a recent mint order?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been tempted lately by the offerings of the Canadian Royal Mint and the UK Royal Mint. Beautiful products and better customer service.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see the message on their website anymore. Did they take it down?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the latest post by the US Mint means that they are now in process of eliminating orders.I would take this notice as a sell out notice.Get ready people to see your order either filled or cancelled.Good Luck.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well they said the original release would sell out in a day and it took 6 weeks. The mint has a wait list status, and used that for the original once they reached their production limits. I could be wrong but I see no reason why they are still selling if they do not have any left. I and just about everyone I know had duplicate orders, from clicking order now so many times.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's still there , click catalog home tab.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree , I to think this is as close to them saying it's sold out as were are going to get today..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It might be a long shot, but do you think they might be trying to hold off the field-day that happened with the LP1's on ebay...Or am I just thinking too hard here?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can barely manage their own website. I highly doubt they give two bits about what is going on on eBay.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

The longer the "sold out" notice doesn't appear, the more worried I am that some "surprise" is coming. Paranoid??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're not alone vaughnster.. I'm with you on that one..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That U.S. Mint statement is so funny! The website performed EXACTLY as we all expected it to yesterday! :)

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Moy is going to say : OK, we are going to cancel all orders and start all over again with our new and improved SUPER SLOW SERVER...

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, the mint does not actually admit to any sort of failure. They only state that the website did not perform as expected. What they should have said was that whatever it was that they did to fix the previous problems was a dismal failure. They have never offered anything more than "issues" as reasons for their horrible performance with the UHR. They continue to claim that the law prevents them from offering SAEs when the real reason is their failure to make arrangements to allow it to be produced in a year that they knew well in advance was going to have "issues".

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder is someone will take this Mint notice and try to sell it on ebay as a Mint error?LOL

 
At October 16, 2009 at 12:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This latest mint notice doesn't make me feel any better.I've been on the edge of my seat since yesterday.Now I'm about to fall off from waiting so long.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's terrible, this is America. We don't bow down and apologize to anyone.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is everyone so concerned with when this thing sells out? I'm asking because I don't get it.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is as exciting as a coin show!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Last Pre sale auction realized starting bid was.99 cents.The ending bid was 124.78.Hmmmm hows that for a reality check scalpers?And the scalper didn't even show a confirmation number.He just said his expected shipping date was 10/30/09.I will be the first to laugh as his order gets cancelled.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know that the subject is the Chronicles set but I have a question in regards to the up coming 2009 Gold Eagles in December. Will the mint continal to mint thess after 12/31?? If so would that be a low mintage??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you analyze the Mint's message, there is a clear hidden meaning.

It is a call for HELP from the powers that be to stop the insanity that runs rampant throughout the building. Mr Moy has such little talent, his second, third, and fourth level supervisors who do the work are beyond overwhelmed with basic volumes of low level work. Certainly the word "excellence" has been removed from anything associated with the US MInt. What a total disgrace. They fail on every imaginable level. Normal people will not understand why heads are not rolling this very weekend.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I ordered the Lincoln Coin Set I was stopped from completing my order. I went back through the checkout and finally got a completed checkout. When I checked my e-mail I saw two messages from the Mint giving me two order numbers.
I am sure others have also had this problem. It will take awhile for the mint to sort out all the orders to come up with a exact number of one per household orders.
Between other items sold and this problem going by the order numbers is way off actual sets sold.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, and do you think these Mint people are going to work over the weekend? I doubt it. We're going to be waiting awhile for this information.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM , Blogger Grumpy said...

Yeah Sure! I'll be sure to hold my breath!!!!! NOT!!!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ebay update: Last set sold for $127.50

 
At October 16, 2009 at 1:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is almost quitting time at the US Mint until Monday when they will resume their lack luster abilities to tell everyone what they already know.The Coin and Chronicle will still be for sale over the weekend.This will be the biggest disaster that the mint has come up with so far.literally thousands of orders will still be placed on the Coin and Chronicle by people all over the world.Just when I thought the Mint couldn't top the 2009 cancellation of the Proof eagles.There they are completely showing disregard for the customers who have carried their butts through many years since 1995.The notice of apology is the biggest joke of all.Even when they admit they are wrong.They still can't give a simple straight answer that is plainly easy to see.FIRE MR MOY NOW!!!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once these sets are officially sold out, watch the prices skyrocket on ebay!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

kicking out duplicate orders shouldn't take that long to figure out.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

My order is showing as (Line was cancelled):(

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Explain that? Your order was cancelled?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like these E-Bay sellers trying to get 350+ for something they don't have, saying sold out when it isn't, and "confirmed order", which right now means nothing!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just looked to see if the order was still ok and it just said Line was cancelled in place of the shipping date that was originally there :(.I'm really bummed out now.This sucks

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

What was the first 5 numbers of your order??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you order other items as well? What are the first 5 digits of your confirmation number?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

33185*** ordered at 2:45 yesterday

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just cancelled everything else on my order.Screw them

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you get two different emails for your order? Perhaps you had a duplicate order maybe?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a pretty low number, it shouldn't have been cancelled unless you had a dupe order.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW--Two sets up for "grabs" right now, and he's getting them for sure cause their a 10-30 ship date!
Just 406 bucks too!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is what my email said.Keep in mind that I did not cancel the order

Greetings from the United States Mint.
The following order has been cancelled either at your
request or because we were unable to process it. We invite
you to resubmit the order via our website at

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just called the mint to make sure I had a valid order as I placed it this morning. They told me it was valid (not on hold) but that they will be sold at at 6:00 PM at the current sales rate

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will PCGS or NGC have a special lable for this set?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just called the mint to make sure I had a valid order as I placed it this morning. They told me it was valid (not on hold) but that they will be sold out at at 6:00 PM

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you mean they will be sold out at 6pm?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

I wouldn't believe anything they say over the phone. They lie all the time...........

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mine had a 10/30 ship date and just got cancelled.That is no guarantee.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM , Anonymous Skid said...

I'm sure NGC and PCGS will have special labels for this set. Personally, I think it is just wrong to have this set graded. The whole point of this set is the packaging. Break up the set to get it graded and you just have regular coins that you can get from other sets. Even if the packaging is included, it's just wrong!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

What's the point in buying this beautiful set if you break it up to get graded? Doesn't make sense and you waste a set someone would like to have as it's sold from the mint :-(

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correct...if what they said is true they will be sold out by 6:00 PM

 
At October 16, 2009 at 2:54 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

That sounds convenient, just at quitting time...........

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

From u s mint site
2009 LINCOLN COIN & CHRONICLES SET

United States Mint Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set (LN6)

Waiting List Notice: The number of orders we have taken meets the maximum limit for the United States Mint Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set. You may still place an order for this product, which will go on a waiting list. If a product becomes ...

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:03 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

Can you feel it..........

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait List = SOLD OUT!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I was running around the house all pissed off that my order had been cancelled.My wife sat me down and told me not to worry so much about it."I was like.WHAT I JUST LOST THE ONE SET I'VE BEEN WANTING ALL YEAR!!!!!!".She then told me that she had made the order at 12:00 knowing that I wouldn't be home until 2:00.Now why in the hell would she have not told me about that yesterday.GEEEEEZE.I sure do love that woman.LOL.So I guess this is proof that the Mint is not allowing but one per household.I would have gladly taken two.But now I'm happy someone else will get one that wanted one as bad as I did.My heart really can't take to much more of this.I'm pretty happy that the mint products look pretty crappy for next year.LOL.Oh by the way The order that was cancelled was 33185*** at 2:45 yesterday.I think my wife had to be laughing at me yesterday when I was so worried they had already sold out.I guess she has her ways of keeping me in line God love her.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

how do they let you know if its been cancelled. via email, or do you have to look for status yourself

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You ebayer's that are putting these up for auction are fools. The sets are selling in the 120's now, once it becomes known that these sets are sold out...watch out!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now Mint placed Waiting List Notice for Lincoln set .Does anyone know what time they changed status??

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad you got yours! I thought that you had to have a dupe! These are going to hit over $200 on ebay this weekend I bet!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Waiting List Notice: The number of orders we have taken meets the maximum limit for the United States Mint Lincoln Coin and Chronicles Set. You may still place an order for this product, which will go on a waiting list. If a product becomes available due to an order cancellation, we will fulfill orders from the waiting list on a first-in, first-served basis. We cannot provide information about your position on the waiting list.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The wait list started around 6 PM

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was me, Fisher74
Now ebay craiziness starts!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You people selling you sets for under $200 on ebay will lose out!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

SOLD OUT !!!!!!!!!
SOOOOOOOLD OUT !!!!!!!!!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD OUT !!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:32 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

Too bad we have to wait 3 weeks to get this beautiful set........

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who wanted a set could have gotten one from the mint until 6:00 PM today...not sure how many people on e-bay knew that, I wonder if they were people getting additional sets cheap before the price spike.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dang! I was stressed out about an order number that low being canceled. Isn't it funny that it would normally be considered an anomaly that the Mint would cancel an order. With the asylum mentality of the Mint the past year, I think it's logical to stress about such things. Keep in mind, the new Mint policy states that the last order is the first shipped (unless you happen to be the relative of a Mint employee).

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last 3 auctions have gone for $137, $150, $159. They are going back Up Up Up. The 3 previous auctions were $127, $126, $125

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

All that stressing yesterday, and I could have just picked one up this morning or afternoon..no muss no fuss

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny isn't it. Yesterday after about 2 hours of trying to get through, I was just sure that I wasn't going to make it!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The interest in this set is amazing! As an example, Michael's blog has recieved over 550 posts since yesterday! I bet that is about a normal month's worth!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of those auctions paid for two others that daddy bought for you kids.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm gonna cancel my extra order on Chronicles set; anyone interested... get ready

 
At October 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can buy a set now at EBAY for 159.99 USD; 15 more minutes.

No bids now... seems no one interested on this one.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

one just sold $154 and $169.99

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

These things are going to skyrocket! Rolls of Harrison went for higher than these sets are getting right now. Wait till the word gets out that the set is sold out.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'M safe for now , no cancellation by mint email yet!!!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dunno what's the fuss with this Chronicles set; 3 years later , no one is gonna remember it and the price hype will come back down; no point paying the Ebay prices; just get the Mint price at 55.95

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

uhmm, it is wait-listed (sold out) at the Mint. The days of $55 are over my friend.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

make that day and a half of 55.95 are gone.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM , Anonymous vaughnster said...

Lesson learned. As someone mentioned earlier, oh yeah, Anonymous,next time I'll wait a while to order and not go through the b.s. of sloooow servers around noon. This I'm sure, will be the fastest anything from the mint will sell out numbering 50,000. Thirty hours is an ample amount of time to get an order in if one wants to wait and avoid the crush.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just changed my mind-I'm keeping mine, if I get it.
It's headed for a steel tomb!
3316xxxx

 
At October 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

new message on site indicating extended sales quantity or something.








that would be horrible huh?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 5:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 weeks before christmas $250 a set

 
At October 16, 2009 at 5:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ordered mine yesterday around 5:00 and was on the site less than 5 min. And it appears my order number is well within the 50,000 range( don't tell my boss but i did cut out from work a little early )

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

here i am waiting on the phone 40 minutes for the supervisor at the us mint. they canceled my orders. I ordered 4 cronicles to 4 different addresses. Im not a scalper ijust wanted to order to my grand kids addresses. I understand that there is only one set per household. I ordered to 4 households. Even though the billing address is the same on all four they cancelled 3 of them. (still waiting on hold). I even signed in as a new guest on each of these orders. (please remain on the line a rep will be with you shortly) I keep hearing that in the phone. The mint website does not say one per billing address it only says one per household. Wonder how the Ebay scalpers can get more than one???? ( still on hold 55minutes) will let you all know how this ends.

Just a grandpa

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Grandpa,
But them are the rules.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They've changed the date back to 11/13

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, you tried to order 4 different sets, but you call other's scalpers when you are doing the same thing? You may have good intentions, but still breaking the rules.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I put 50000 down in the quantity box. why was it cancelled? grandpa?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your billing address is the same on multiple orders it makes no difference what address its shipped to. The order will be canceled. If you use the same credit card for multiple orders..The order will be canceled.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't feel im breaking the rules. As it says only one per household. There is only one per house hold. I'm paying for them!!!!! (I'm still on hold from the Mint 1 hr 30 min. they keep saying my call is very important to them a rep will be with you momentaryly)
I think they are avoiding me.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the previous Lincoln C&C Set blog 403 entries, on this one 169 in two days times (less actually). Any doubt that this set is the stud. For all the crap the mint has pulled this year ya gotta love the action in '09.

Jim L.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grandpa,
They do that to limit it to one household. If they didn't do it this way, everyone would be buying these and sending them to all of their friends.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is much more handy to have relatives that don't collect to get them for you or friends.that is how people get around it.The dealers actually pay people to order them for them.Some dealers get hundreds that way.It doesn't matter what the Mint does.For every rule made there will always be those who find their way around those rules to make a profit.I agree that it is very dishonest and even hurts collectors chances of getting one.But there are many people in this world driven by money.And unfortunately for that reason alone.It won't matter what the Mint ever does to stop them.They will always figure out a way around the rule to let greed of money take over their life.I like to believe in "What comes around goes around".Perhaps that is the best way to look at this and let that simple rule take them down.Some dealers or scalpers as people call them come on here trying to defend their selves.To them I say."There are rules that are put in place for a reason.If you do not follow those rules.Then in my book and the way I was raised.That is wrong.This way I sleep well at night.I for one only wanted one for my daughter and her future.I hope everyone else got one that wanted one.

Happy Dad with happy Daughter

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm just glad I walked away with one..

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hang it up Grandpa...you can't win. Next time have your kids pay for them, and reimburse them later. You may have gotten away with it while they were still available but if they allow your exemption they will have to allow all of them, as all the orders are already confirmed they would have to bump someone else from getting one, and if you think you upset imagine telling someone they were bumped because you wanted four.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have two kids and a friend.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

2009 LINCOLN COIN & CHRONICLES SET 1 $55.95 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 10/30/2009. Just got this off the Mint site.

Happy as a clam.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Lincoln Coin Chronicles is back on sale. Product will be available for shipping 11/13/2009

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

continued from prior post: If a product becomes available due to an order cancellation

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just checked mine same here >>>2009 LINCOLN COIN & CHRONICLES SET 1 $55.95 1 unit backordered. Expected to ship on 10/30/2009.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 7:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Set is wait listed. Meaning that it is Sold out!

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So does the Mint use both the billing address and the shipping address when trying to catch duplicates? So far everyone seems to be referring to orders being canceled when using the same billing address but different shipping addresses. What if someone creates two orders with two different credit cards with different billing addresses but the same shipping address?

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

credit cards can only have one billing address and you can only ship to one address. Thus you have to get someone at a different location to use their credit card.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

AND if you put in a fake billing address on your credit card it will be caught by the credit card company and your order will be cancelled.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have two credit cards in my name but with different addresses. I used both the cards with different shipping addresses and so far both orders are still open and have not been canceled.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think its a safe bet that One per househole means "ONE PER HOUSEHOLD!" If you have the same shipping address for multiple orders that = more than one order per household. Who knows though.. the mint may be that oblivious... but not likely.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think of it as ONE per Billing AND Shipping location.

 
At October 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once Everyone realizes these are sold out, they will go crazy on ebay! I expect these sets to get alot of airplay this week on the "coin shopping shows".

 
At October 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ebay prices realized have been on average of 125.00 for the second day after release.I will find it tough to see them go much higher.Early reports showed 200.00 average realized on the first day of issue.between the first day and sell out day(second day)there has been a loss of 75.00 dollars.Most people ordering these coins are well aware of the original cost and unless ill advised or uninformed.Most buyers will stay near the averages of the first and second day for the first few weeks.Once the coins start to actually trickle with the word sell out on the market due to low mintage on the third week.The word will get out about customer satisfaction and quality issues.This will play a large roll as to how these sets will do on the secondary market.

I am sure there have been pre arrangements already placed in waiting for the coins to be graded and special labels made to enhance the sets.Given the hype of quality from the mint.You can be sure there will be those grading companies that cater, and those companies that are very meticulous with making sure only the true gems emerge.This should all take place on weeks Three,four and five.

Onces weeks four through six emerge with bulk of graded examples.We will then start seeing numbers much higher then the first two days and possibly as high as the fourth and fifth week if quality expectations are met.

This is why you will see many people sitting on these coins for resale until the fifth or sixth week.If the quality expectations are not met.You may start seeing many sets emerge on the third and fourth week.Meaning that many dealers have decided to cut and run and sell out and not have their sets graded because of poor quality.

The shameful process of this will be that many of these sets will be destroyed in the production of grading.The great news out of this will be for the long term collector.With a mintage of 50,000 and many sets destroyed.The lower numbers will only add future value to the well preserved gem sets.These sets may very well be known as the straw that broke the mints back.Or the last great set of 2009.It is now up to Mr Moy and company to show that there can be one great product that still can come from the US Mint.

If this set is made in a way that the coins can easily be replaced.Given the large amount of left over books dealers who grade and large amount of previous proof coins.I only fear that many of these sets may go undetected as original fakes.

I personally would like to see the US mint put in place a tamper resistant patent that only authorized grading companies are allowed to open for grading and authentication.This is where I believe Mr Moy has not preformed to lead a better standard for todays coin markets.

Seeing that the lack of interest for 2010 has been fully felt by the disappointments of 2009.I think it is only in the Us Mints best interest to make damn sure that this set is a complete winner.Or the mint may see one of it's worst years in 2010.


Thank you Micheal for a chance to view my opinions and thank you for such a great job covering this historical moment in the numismatic world.I can only hope that the set I ordered is the Gem I am expecting for my daughter.

Happy Dad Happy Daughter

 
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