Presidential Dollar Coin & First Spouse Medal Set - Millard & Abigail Fillmore
Today March 26, 2010, the United States Mint began sales of the Millard and Abigail Fillmore Presidential $1 Coin and First Spouse Medal Set.
This is the first release of the year for the product type, which includes an uncirculated Presidential Dollar and First Spouse Bronze Medal. The sets are priced at $11.95, up from last year's price of $8.95. The sets had been priced at just $7.95 each from 2007 to 2008.
The Millard Fillmore Dollar and Abigail Fillmore Medal are mounted on a durable plastic card. The front is illustrated with an image of the President and First Spouse and the back contains issuance information. These have been nicely presented, compact products to represent each Presidential couple, but the increased prices might have some collectors reconsidering whether it is still worth the price.
Sets from the prior year featuring John & Julia Tyler, James K. & Sarah Polk, and Zachary & Margaret Taylor remain available for sale at the Mint. These sets still remain priced at $8.95 each. The last available sales figures for the sets are 9,037 (Tyler), 8,549 (Polk), and 6,549 (Taylor).
Today, also marked the start of sales for the Women Airforce Service Pilots Bronze Medals. The 3 inch medals are priced at $42.00 and the 1-1/2 inch medals are priced at $6.00. Since I really like the design of this medal, I will be picking up one of the smaller sized ones.
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posted by Mint News Blog @ 9:18 AM
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Yawn....
We want American Eagles!
Double yawn. The year is 1/4 over and nothing to get excited about yet.
I'm going back to bed. Wake me up in 20 years. Yours truly, Rip Van Winkle
I'm going to hold off on the Fillmore coin & medal set for now. I just hope the Mint doesn't pull a fast one and discontinue the set right away, leaving us out in the cold. If that happens, those who did buy it early will be having a field day, while the vast majority of us will be kicking ourselves.
I'm wondering if the sales figures reported for those sets is even accurate. I mean, there are supposed to be only around 9,700 John/Letitia Tyler sets sold, yet there seems to be an abundance of them available and no one seems to care. The 2007 sets all sold in the 15,XXX to 16,XXX range, and they seem to be very rare. Maybe the Mint screwed up and the actual total is supposed to be 97,XXX for the Tyler and 139,XXX for the Harrison. It sure seems like it!
Just wait until late this year when the Lincoln $1 and spouse go up for sale. 5 day maxium for a total sellout. Anything Lincoln is like anything Bison/Buffalo...an instant winner.
Has the mint ever released the mintages for all medals they have ever done?
I have only seen sales figures for medals mentioned once- for the 2007 First Spouse Bronze Medals.
http://mintnewsblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/first-spouse-bronze-medals-selling.html
Does anyone know mintages for all the spouse medals for 2008 ?
First photo used on the packaging for this series, as Fillmore's administration coincided with the advent of photography; kinda cool. Possible premium down the line because of it?
Agree with Michael: the WASP medal is a very cool design, very evocative of the 40s; I will also be a buyer of the smaller pieces.
Another missed opportunity for the mint. The WASP medal should also be a 1/2 in gold and 1 oz in silver commemorative
I'm beginning to wonder if the coin & spouse medal sets will ever have much of a premium again, real photographs or otherwise. Like was said before, the Harrison and Letitia Tyler sets have been "sold out" for months with the lowest reported final sales numbers yet, but they seem to have no premium. The 2007 sets sold far more and they can sometimes fetch $75-100+ each. Something doesn't quite make sense here.
Lack of premiums on coins is due to lack of demand. Lack of demand is due to lack of interest and lack of money. Lack of interest is due to lack of novelty, spontaneity, innovation, and inspiration. Lack of money is due to lack solid economy. Lack of novelty, spontaneity, innovation, and inspiration is due to lack of creativity and lack of product from the mint.
Yeah, but it still doesn't make sense that people want the supposedly higher production 2007 sets so bad they pay $75-100+ each, but the supposedly much more rare 2009 sets they don't seem to give a sh#@ about. It's the same principal as people paying $250-$280 each for Harrison Mint rolls, but aren't even willing to pay original Mint price for the Tyler rolls. Both had 30,000 rolls per Mint. It looks like the bad economy is not a real factor, since there is PLENTY of money changing hands for some Mint products. The math just doesn't add up, that's all.
There's a lack of interest in the Tyler rolls for some reason. I guess the numisticists will have to investigate further. Is Harrison known for something and/or was Tyler a nobody do nothing despised by the population. Its a mystery for now. There must be a commenter out there that will provide the answer.
There's a lack of interest in the Tyler rolls for some reason. I guess the numisticists will have to investigate further. Is Harrison known for something and/or was Tyler a nobody do nothing despised by the population. Its a mystery for now. There must be a commenter out there that will provide the answer.
Regarding Harrison rolls - it beats me why those rolls are worthy of such demand. One reason could be that he died of pneumonia in Wash DC after serving just one month (pres. 3/4/1841 to 4/4/1841)he was a military man. Tyler was VP. Tyler is interesting to say the least. Look him up on the internet - too long to make comment.
I agree, few if any listings for 2007 Spouse and Coin Medals on Ebay, yet plenty for Harrison, Polk and Tyler's. Here's another looking to be a rarity, Taylor Roll US Mint box sets as well as coin amd medal sets. Anybody seen many of these around? I suspect the previous issues toasted a few folks trying to flip. Before you start thinking about Fillmore, keep an eye on Taylor.
True, I had noticed that there did not seem to be as many of the Taylor sets as the others. I had attributed that to the fact that he was still on sale at the Mint, but so are the Julia Tyler and Sarah Polk sets as well and there are a lot more of them being offered right now.
I don't know if the Mint will milk sales of the remaining 2009 sets until June 30th (at which time remaining 2009 product sales should end), or if they will put them out of their misery sometime before that. I wish it would be sooner, since it would lock in a pretty low sales number for the Taylor sets and maybe allow me to sell my extras for at least a little bit of a markup!
I will not be buying many of the 2010 sets, that's for sure. $3 extra per set, coupled with a drastically declining collector base does not bode well for the series. My luck, the Mint will not even make them at all in 2011 or beyond, deeming them not worth the effort. I really want to have one of these sets for every presidential couple in the series, but the Mint has already demonstrated that they will abandon products in a series before it's completed (such as the Historical Signature sets).
Can the mint just get me my Buchanans already so I can complete my liberty sets and be done with it?
Is Buchanan the last Prez in the series that did not have a wife during his Presidency?
Didn't Chester Alan Arthur's wife die before he took office? Any knowledge what the reverse of that spouse coin will be?
There's the '09 buff sold out again !
You're right about that, but Chester A. Arthur's spouse coin will be Alice Paul, not a Liberty design. I'm not sure why that is, though.
Buffalo pf is sold out
OK, which congressman decided on this Chester Alan Arthur decision. I just went back and read the bill that mandated the First Spouse coins and there is no real rhyme or reason. She happened to be born during his Presidency and was active in women's suffrage. Which is all fine and dandy, but how is that consistent with the rest of the series.
I could care less about the PC or non-PC nature of a coin... for instance, I kinda like the 2009 platinum. But illogical designs, they are the ones that irk me.
Like the liberty torch for the 2010 platinum that's being debated by the two coin boards... nice design but doesn't directly address the theme.
And now, in this case... why suddenly, in only ONE case, throw in a more or less random historical woman? If they had decided to do similar things with all other Presidents without spouses during their administration, then that would be fine. But this is just weird. Plain weird.
We have now reached a point where coin designs are based on raw emotion only. How does it feel. Are there any good vibes here. Goodbye classics. Just uninspiring copies of photos or pictures of people. We'll never see a new mint buffalo coin again. Good luck on getting a 2010 proof ASE or proof AGE.
Maybe the Alice Paul coin will be the low-mintage point in the series. Or, due to the unique aspect of it, it might do better than some of the others. I've given up trying to figure these things out.
I guess since she is not the wife of a president, the Alice Paul coin should be considered part of the Liberty subset.
I wonder too, if the Mint is still making the coin & spouse medal sets by then, will the card picture both Arthur and Paul, or just Arthur as the other four presidents who were widowers/bachelors?
Hey, now there is going to be a subset of a subset. The one and only Alice Paul half oz yellow. Not a liberty coin, not married to a prez. Holy cow. A "one of" in the series and I'll bet a hunderd dollars to a hot dog's pile a mintage of maybe 500. Instant sell out and watch prices to da moon. NOT.
the mint posted there will be a 2010 1 oz.proof buffalo some time this year.
To the commenter above on 2010 proof buff being produced. Lets hope so. I'll believe it when I see it but I'll bet it's gonna be a costly little booger. Can we say $1560?
Does anyone know mintages for all the Presidential Dollar Coin & First Spouse Medal Sets for 2008 ?
Those figures were never released, oddly enough. I'd love to know them myself!
For those interested, I created a quick page (through Google pages) describing my recent attempt at creating first day coin covers for the new Hot Spring National Park quarters. Its a quick and dirty site but I wanted to get it out to people ASAP in case others might be interested in making their own FDCCs as well.
Here's a link to the site:
http://sites.google.com/site/lasloo/home/creating-first-day-coin-covers
I've only had time to put some pictures and links up. I plan to put more up in the future and completely flesh out the how-to aspects of it all.
Michael, if you want to put something like this up on your other sites, I'm more than happy to do that as well. I just wanted a place to store some of the templates and stuff I was currently working on and thus a place for people to actively get the templates and use 'em.
Lasloo,
Do you plan to make any extra covers to sell? I'd like to have one, but don't really want to go to the trouble to try and make it myself.
I plan to make a lot of extra covers. It took a bit of experimenting to figure this all out. I even went so far as to putting on stick-on felt on the inner card so that it looked more like the black card the Mint uses... so that anything around the quarter poking out would be black... but it just wasn't working out.
But yes... as soon as I get them all professionally printed, and cut and folded, and holes punched, and coin holders readied, and stamps affixed, and then cancelled... it should be off to the races! :-) I'll keep everyone up to date when they are ready to go... hopefully soon after the release date.
Lasloo,
I'll bet your covers are going to turn out really nice. All you have to do now to complete the experience is seal them in the white cardboard envelopes with a typical Mint-style product code in the corner. I'd use something like "AB31" for Hot Springs and just work your way up from there. I arrive at that number based on the pattern established by the 50 State Quarters and Presidential Dollars. The Delaware cover was "Q11" and the George Washington cover was "P21". I assume the Q stood for Quarter and the P stood for Presidential Dollar. So, AB stands for "America the Beautiful", and the 31 adds ten to the prior starting number, which added ten to the starting number of the series before it.
I have NO idea how the Mint came up with "WB1" for the starting number of the Territories covers. Maybe the WB stands for "Why Bother?" :)
HA! LOL! White cardboard envelopes! Hmmm... I wonder where I can find some? :-)
Who knows, maybe people will trade 'em in the large USPS thick envelopes that I'll probably put them in. *smirk*
Though, on a serious note, I am thinking about numbering each cover. Say, make 100?
Also, I do have a lot of the clear plastic pages that come with the Allsyte Monarch FDC Album. I may put each in one of those. Then, right out of the box, they could be ready to be put right into a similar album.
Lasloo,
It's a ways off yet, but if you could use a photo of "Old Stone Face" like the one in the link below for your Illinois Shawnee National Forest quarter cover, I'd love to have one of those!
http://www.mnmuseumofthems.org/Faces/labels/OldStone.html
Who knows, "Old Stone Face" might even be featured ON the Illinois Shawnee National Forest quarter. Another candidate might be Cave-In-Rock, which is also at the edge of the forest on the banks of the Ohio River.
Shawnee National Forest is HUGE! I just hope SOMETHING decent is put on the quarter. I'd hate to see it being just a non-descript bunch of trees!
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